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More on Proposition 8

Posted by nebula0 on October 19, 2008


The number of hits this site has gotten due to people searching for ‘prop 8’ is staggering.  Why people are frankly obsessed with this topic is something I am still pondering.  One thing I am sure about however is that the paranoia and fear that people have for this proposition is irrational.

Consider the argument, the main argument against the proposition really, that if it is passed then homosexual couples can sue any ecclesiastical figure who refuses to marry them.  This is akin to arguing that if a Mormon bishop refuses to marry a pair of Reformed Jews that the Jewish couple can then sue the bishop.  If Mormons are already allowed to deny temple marriages to other Mormons and get away with it, why wouldn’t they be able to discriminate against homosexual couples by virtue of their not being worthy Mormons, regardless of whether or not homosexual marriage is recognized by the state?

Sit back, breath deeply, the sky is not falling down.  Your ecclesiastical organization will still get to decide who to marry and isn’t that what really matters to you anyway?  Since when do you define your morality based on what the government decides it ought to be instead of what you believe through your religious convictions?

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7 Responses to “More on Proposition 8”

  1. Seth R. said

    As I posted on Nine Moons about this a few months ago, I think the biggest problem this whole Prop 8 push is NOT that Mormons are treating gays differently. But that the LDS Church is assuming that “marriage” status was ever the US Government’s to give.

    This will come back to bite us in the end.

  2. nebula0 said

    Seth, I tend to agree with that sentiment. Better to leave the matter of validity from your personal point of view to the churches you choose to belong to.

  3. VJohnson said

    Forget the rhetoric about who thinks who is wicked. There are practical and real religious freedom consequences. Check out this website http://www.prop8info.com. It has real news clips about real consequences, including Catholic Charities withdrawing adoption services from MA. This is not rhetoric or predictions, this is factual.

  4. Seth R. said

    I was convinced by little on that website.

    What pisses me off about this, is that my Church is going, hat-in-hand to the government for approval of their marriages. As if we needed permission to marry people!

    I think if the Church were to really think this through, they would be filing lawsuits against state governments challenging their right to issue marriage licenses AT ALL.

  5. VJohnson said

    So the fact that Catholic charities was forced out of MA, or a photographer in NM was forced to photograph gay weddings equally, or a Christian church in NJ was sued to use it’s facilities for gay weddings, don’t seem like a fundamental violation of religious freedoms to you? I can’t wrap my brain around that.

  6. james said

    I think a bigger concern for many people is the affect it will have on their children and the rights they have to teach their children what is right and wrong. http://protectingmarriage.wordpress.com/2008/10/12/whether-you-like-it-or-not-or-gay-marriage-day-for-1st-grade/
    This article illustrates that concer.

  7. nebula0 said

    I don’t see what the problem is. You already have to teach your children that you believe sex outside of marriage is wrong and that is the norm. YOu have to teach them that divorce is wrong and that is the norm. It goes on and on. I don’t think this is really going to make things all that much ‘worse’ from your standpoint. Gays are already living together as if they are married, and you already teach your children that is wrong, right?

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